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Mingay History Part 7

Shotesham Old Hall.

The first I had worthy of reliance was from a Diary by F.H.Mingay 1st December 1897. He wrote that the Mingays lived at Shotesham, down to the year 1730, at the Old Hall. They then parted with their Estate to the family of Fellows. The Mingays were Patrons of the living there, and two were incumbents of the Parish Church. But this was not enough. In November 1997 I got in touch with the Thetford Library who sent me copies of the History of this Manor. It was originally called, the Manor of Vauxs, Herfords, and then Shotisham Hall. It has not got a date when built, but Alnot held it at one carucate, at the Confessor’s Survey. Afterwards it belonged to Ralf, Earl of Norfolk, and on his adjuring the Realm fell to the Conqueror, and Godric his Sewer (a servant) took care of it.

The Bishop of Baieux, had it of that King in fee, and Roger Bigod held it of his, and, gave it afterwards to Aitard De Vallibus or Vaux, in whose family it continued for many generations.

Elias de Vallibus, or Vaux, one of the Itinerant Justices was Lord here, and obtained the Lete by grant from the Crown, so that it was served from the hundred. Oliver de Vaux was Lord, and after him John his son. In 1202 Robert de Vaux settled on Ralf Abbot of Hulme 2 carucates of land in Shotesham. This shows that the Manor went back a long way, when I took a photo of the Manor and grounds in 1997,it was nearly all standing, with a moat still round it.

It belonged to the Crown, and continued there till 1552,and it was then that King Edward, the only son of Henry 8th,granted the impropriate Rectory, and the advowson, (the right of presenting or nominating to a vacant benefice, of living in the Church), of the Vicarage, the advowson of the Churches of St. Mary, (which is in the same part as the Manor), and St. Botolph, to William Necton, and William Mingaye, (born 1520 and Mayor 1561), and his heirs. It continued with the Mingayes, for in 1715 William Mingay, (a descendant of William born 1520), Gent was impropriatory and Patron.

In 1731 when William Mingay Gent, presented to the Rev Mr. John Minister, the Vicar to the consolidated Vicarage of St. Mary, and St. Butolph, the Vicarage of All Saints, which last he holds, by a personal union with the former. But the impropriations and advowsons were sold to William Fellows of Shotesham. He later had another Manor built in Shotesham at some time in the 1900s, In January 1998 it belonged to Mr. & Mrs. Hazell. The Mingays moved from Shotesham to Orford in Suffolk.

John Myngaye born 1544 was the eldest son of William Myngaye Mayor of Norwich 1561; he married Isabell, daughter of Sir Thomas Gawdy. He was educated at Corpus Christi College Cambridge 1561; he became a Property Magnet. They had 2 sons and I daughter. The eldest son was Thomas born 1572,and married Margery Wentworth. They only had one daughter, who married Geoffrey Clark. His brother Henry born 1577,of Inner Temple, married Elizabeth English 1603 1st, married 2nd Mary the daughter of John Jernegan of Settings Essex.

Henry Myngaye and Mary, had 4 sons and 7 daughters. John Gent of Arminghall, born 1614 died 1676, Receiver of Expenses for Level of Fens, for 18 years, married Jane the daughter of Robert Davey Esq. She died in 1672, and are both buried in Ely Cathedral.

Anthony born 1620 died 1665.

Rev Henry born 1620 educated at Caius College Cambridge when 17 years old. Henry died young. John and Jane had 4 sons and 3 daughters. John the eldest born 1636 died 1704, educated at Caius College Cambridge at age 16, Lincolns Inn 1655, was Lord of Revershall Hepworth near Bury St. Edmund’s, married Anne daughter of John Shrewsbry of the Talbot Line of family. Thomas Myngaye, who married Margery Wentworth,

The other 3 sons were Rev Henry born 1647,of Redenhall, educated Glare College Cambridge 1663,died 1695,and married Bridget daughter of Dr Starkey. Henry died young. Robert born 1654 died 1689 age 34, he was educated at Glare College 1669, was conservator of Bedford Level. Married Martha Pennington, when Robert died she married Sir Roger Jennings, but when she died 1701, she was buried with Robert in Ely Cathedral.

I have given my observation of Hugh the Despenser and his son also Hugh, in the reign of Edward the 2nd, and his son Edward 3rd, who were Kings of England. They were from Normandy, and Hugh also from Normandy, but for some reason they did not give his Surname. I found that it was Hugh Talbot, of Normandy, given the name of Shrewsbury, they started with being a Baron, in Britain a Freeman, which a lot of the Mingays were. Then they were Earls, which was a Nobleman, ranking between a Marquis and a Viscount. This was in the early 1200 and 1300.In about 1660 Richard Talbot, was an Earl and Titular Duke of Tyrconne, one that holds the title to an office, without the real powers.

I will give the early information, of the families who the Mingay’s married into, as far back as William the Conqueror. The ordinary people seem to come from Normandy, in the early days, also some of the Kings. Some sons married Roman Catholics, which I was told the Record offices do not keep, for some reason.

Like Thomas Myngaye born 1572, who married Margery Wentworth, her surname goes back to, Thomas Wentworth, born 1501 died 1551.1st Baron Wentworth of Nettlestead, Kent. Knighted while serving in France 1523, and was created Baron in1529, advocated Henry 8ths divorce from Catherine in 1530,and attended Henry 8th to France in 1532. He served against Norfolk insurgents in1549 and was Lord Chamberlain in 1550, and granted Crown Lands.

Thomas Wentworth, eldest son, born 1525 died 1584,2nd Baron, perhaps of St. Johns College Cambridge, Knighted while serving in Scotland in 1547. M.P. for Suffolk 1547 to 1551,voted for execution of Somerset in 1551. Prisoner of war in France 1568 to 1569

Robert Myngaye married Martha Pennington, her surname goes back to Alan de Penitone who was granted the Muncaster Lands in Cumbria in 1203. Sir John de Penyngton born 1393 died 1470, was a soldier who fought in Scotland, for the Lancastrians during the Civil war. 50 years after being granted the land, a castle was built by Camel de Mulcastre. The Surname changed when John Pennington Esq. married Isabel daughter of John Broughton. Sir John Pennington married Jane, the widow of Sir Robert Ogle. Sir John led his soldiers at Flodden, and died in 1518.

Sir William Pennington, Knighted at the Battle of Valenciennes, died 1533,he married Francis Pagrane, kinswoman to Charles, Duke of Suffolk. Rev Henry Myngaye, who married Bridget Starkey, had 5 sons and 2 daughters, they were John Mingay Gent of Shotesham, an Attorney born 1674 died 1705, Henry. James born 1635, died aged 79. Robert died young.

William Gent of Cambridge and Shotesham, educated at Clare College Cambridge 1696, died, 1762, married Elizabeth Beaumont 1703, the widow of Mr. Kett. The Surname Beaumont I have from Robert de Beaumont born 1104 died 1168, Earl of Leicester, Justiciary of England, son of Robert de Beaumont who died 1118, was Stephen’s chief adviser with his twin brother 1137. Took active part in Civil war 1139. Was Chief Justiciar under Henry 2nd 1155 and 1156, Regent during Henrys absence 1158 to 1163 and 1165.

Waleran de Beaumont born 1104 died 1166, Count of Meulan, was imprisoned for five years Joined Geoffrey of Anjon 1143.

Robert de Beaumont born 2 died 1118,Count of Meulan, distinguished himself at Senlac 1066,and was rewarded with land in Warwickshire, became one of the most prominent laymen under William 2nd, whom he assisted in his struggle in Normandy with Robert 1096.

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