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Mingay History Part 8

Robert  & William Mingay 

Continuing the Norfolk Link


This is about another line of the Mingay’s, the brother of William born 1520, and Mayor of Norwich in 1561. Robert Myngaye was born in 1518 at Shotesham and died in 1573. He had Tuthill Saxlingham property. He married Winifred Knightly Coke in Norwich in 1543, they had 12 children in all, but 2 died in infancy. There were 9 girls, and three sons, who were William, Robert, and John born in 1555.The Coke family records I have, go back to about 1300, but it was spelt Cooke or Cook up to 1899, in 1998 it is Coke.

The 1st was Sir Thomas Cooke who died 1478,he was Lord Mayor of London, and a warden of the Drapers Company 1439, intermediary between Jack Cade and the Citizens 1450,Sheriff of London 1453,Alderman 1454,Lord Mayor 1462, began Gides Hall Romford 1467,imprisoned and heavily fined by Edward 4th 1467 and 1471.

William Cooke, died 1553, was a Judge. Educated at Cambridge, Barrister @ Gray’s Inn. 1530, recorder of Cambridge, 1545 Serjeant-at-law, 1546,Justice of Common pleases I5522. Roger Cooke born 1553, Astrologer, assistant of John Dee 1567 to 1581, perhaps published an almanac 1585.

The last one mentioned is John Mason Cook born 1834 died 1899. He became a Tourist agent, son of Thomas Cook born 1808 died 1892. Partner with his father from 1864, extended the firms connections with America and the Continent.

Next we have John Myngaye born 1555,son of Robert 1518. John was Sheriff of Norwich and Mayor in 1617. He had property at Great Melton, and Hethersett, he died 1625 aged 69. He married Susanna daughter of Richard Skinner, both buried in St. Stephen Church Norwich, where a Mural Monument hangs.

It is perhaps worth noting that another branch of the family was even more successful, it was this John Myngaye, the nephew of William born 1520, whom John emulated as Mayor in 1617. He was a Norwich apothecary and a store keeper, one that prepares, and sells drugs for medicines. He was able to purchase a Manor at Swainsthorpe, just outside the City. He also owned Lands and Houses in Norwich, including the site of the Austin Friars, on which he built 3 houses, and meadows and lands at Shotesham, and Lakenham. At his death in 1625 he had 3 warehouses full of goods and a total of 3,777 in cash.

John Myngaye and Susanna, had 3 sons and 3 daughters. John the eldest born I587~no family mentioned. Anthony born 1589 died 1649,married Mary daughter of Philip Gawdy of East Harling in 1627. It was this Anthony who had the Arch put in the Arminghall Manor. Roger the youngest son born in I595, administered the family Ironmonger. He was Sheriff of Norwich in 1652, Mayor 1658, and died in 1660. He married Mary, daughter of Sid Davy, she was sister—in —law to Mary who married Anthony.

The Gawdy family as recorded is Thomas Sir Gawdy, died 1589,and was a Judge. Inner Temple 1551, Master of requests 1551.M.P. Arundel 1553. Knighted 1579. President of commission to determine fishing rights of Yarmouth, and the Cinque Ports in 1575, Member of the Courts which tried Dr Parry 1585,William Shelley 1586. Mary Queen of Scots at Fotheringay, and the Earl of Arundel 1582.

Sir Francis Gawdy, died 1606, Chief Justice of Common Pleas, half brother of Sir Thomas Gawdy. Treasurer of the Inner Temple 1571.M.P.for Morpeth 1571.Sergent-at-law 1577,as the Queens Serjeant 1582.Took part in proceedings against Mary Queen of Scots at Fotheringay, and those against William Davison 1541 to 1608. Justice of Queens Bench 1589. Knighted 1603.Member of the Courts, which tried Essex and Raleigh.

Anthony who married Mary Gawdy 1627,could this be her father, as recorded, Framlingham Gawdy born 1589 died 1654.Parliamentary Reporter .M.P. for Thetford 1620-1621.1623-1624. 1625-1626.and I640. His notes of what passed in Parliament 1641 and 1642 preserved in British Museum.

Anthony and Mary had 2 sons, and 2 daughters, Anthony of London Merchant, under 21,1649. John Gent of Rainthorpe Hall, and Grays Inn 1655,son and heir, educated at Caius College Cambridge When 18 in 1652, died 1684, married Elizabeth daughter and heir of John Tuthill of Saxlingham, she died 1716. This is the only one I can find.

Sir George Leman, born 1772 died 1835. Physician M.A. 1809,and M.D.1816, educated Caius College Cambridge, kept prisoner in France for several years.F.R.S.1810.F.R.C.P.1817, Gulstonian lecturer 1818. Censor 1819 and 1830.Knighted 1820. Physician of Westminster and other hospitals, active promoter of Pharmacopoeia londiniensis 1824. George was a Tuthill.

Roger 1595 and Mary Davy had 3 sons and 2 daughters. John born 1630. Roger of London, born 1641, married Mary Baker 1669. Anthony of Swainthorpe born 1634, had family Grocery 1661,married Anne daughter and co-heir of Charles Cornwaleis.

From John Myngaye and Susanna, to their sons and Grand-sons, including Charles Cornwaleis, how they became involved in the History of Cursons Manor, which was that part that belonged to Godric the Sewer, and afterwards to the Cursons, who held it at Tateshall honour. Will De Curson was Lord here, and Patron of the Church here St. Mary, which was appendant to this Manor when the Norwich Domesday was made, and in 1315,Robert Le Curson had it, in 1338 he settled it on himself and heirs in tail.

At the Confessors survey, it was known by the name of Thorp only, and before the Conquest, began to be called Swains-Thorp, from the Swains or Country men, that inhabited there. Ralf Stalra, Bishop Stigand, and the anteccessor of Godric the Sewer had it at the first survey, and it belonged to Tovi at the second, all but Godric’s part, which was then 2s-8d annual value, and belonged to him. The whole of the property was then a mile long, and as broader, and paid 11d geld (a payment or tax)

From these dates it passed to many tenants, up to 1616, when Sir William Gresham, and his daughter Elizabeth, sold it to Christopher Colby, and co, in trust for Sir Henry Hobart Knight and Baronet, Lord Chief Justice of the Common Pleas. In 1617 they all joined and sold it to Thomas Steward, and John Pickerell, and their heirs, and in 1622 they conveyed it to John Myngay, Alderman of Norwich, and Mayor 1617,who had Grant of the Lete or lease, during the lives of Sir Charles Cornwaleis (this name comes up later) and Co.

It belonged to the Hundred. In 1640 Mary (widow) relic, of Thomas Steward Esq., and Henry her son, released all rights to John Myngay aforesaid. In 1650 Robert Rich Esq., administrator to Sir Edwyn Rich, released all his rights (which was a mortgage only) to John Myngay, eldest son and heir of John Myngay 1555,who settled in trust on Roger 1595, his brother who died 1660.

In 1662 Mary relict (widow) of Alderman Roger Myngay, who died 1660 had it, then John, Anthony and Roger her three sons released it to her. In the next year, she John and Roger, conveyed the Manors, advowson, and the whole estate to Anthony Myngay, her second son, who in 1666 married Anne daughter and coheiress of Charles Cornwaleis Esq. of Mileham. He died 28th December 1713 and buried in St. Stephen Church Norwich, and left Frances his daughter and heiress, who first married Mr. Lane of Bristol, by whom she had no Issue (or family). She then married William Brooke Esq., recorder of Norwich, who was the present Lord and Patron. She died on 23 August 1729,and is buried in St. Stephen’s also, having no Issue now surviving. It has since been demolished.

The 1st recorded surname Cornwallis was Sir Charles Cornwallis who died 1629, Diplomatist, and 2nd son of Sir Thomas Cornwallis, Knighted 1603, and Ambassador in Spain 1605 to 1609. Treasurer of the household to Prince Henry in 1610 to 1612 and a commissioner on Irish affairs 1613. Imprisoned in the Tower for hostility to the Scots 1614,wrote memoir of Prince Henry 1626.

Sir William Cornwallie, died 1631, Essayist, son of Charles, Knighted 1602, published essays 1600 to 1617.

Sir Thomas Cornwallis, born 1519 died 1604, Diplomatist, of Brome Hall Suffolk, Knighted 1548,sent against the Norfolk insurgents 1549. Sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk 1553. Sent to escort Princess Elizabeth to London 1554. Commissioner for trial of Sir Thomas Wyatt 1554. M.P.Suffolk 1558.

Thomas Cornwallis, born 1663 died 1731,a younger son of Charles, 2nd Baron Cornwallis. Educated at Cambridge 1676,officer in the Guards. Thomas could be the brother of Anne, if he is then she would be the daughter of Charles, who married Anthony Myngay, she died 1729. Thomas died 1731.This could be an unexpected relation, happening so close. So far it looks as if the Mingay’s were very close to the wealthy, who possessed a large amount of property, we must remember that up to late 1800 a lot of Mingay sons went to the Colleges in Cambridge.

William Mingay born 1679 and Elizabeth Beaumont had 9 sons. John buried 1706. William born 1706, had Shotesham property, was an Attorney of Norwich, married 1st Anne Clerke married 2nd Elizabeth Bugg 1749. They had 4 sons and 4 daughters, William (c & buried 1751) Robert (c & buried 1755) Robert Peter (c & buried 1760) William born 1753, he became a French Teacher at Hawkshead Grammar School Cumbria. William had a son from his 2nd wife Arabella Halton, of South Wingfield Manor Derbyshire, he was William George Mingay born 1807,who married 1st Ann Salliard of Nantwich (m 2nd) Lydia Parr of Dewsbury Yorkshire.

Remember Henry the 8th married Catherine Parr, who was the 4th cousin of Henry 8th. When she married Henry she was a widow. This I found in my local Library,about the Parr family, March 1998.

Sir William Parr, Marquis of Northampton, Earl of Essex, and Barron Parr 1513—1571, brother of Catherine Parr educated at Cambridge. Created Baron and Ross 1539. Earl of Essex 1543. As supporter of Somerset, and afterwards of Northumberland, whom he accompanied into the Eastern Counties, on Edward 6th death, to maintain the cause of Lady Jane Grey. Condemned to death on Queen Mary’s triumph, but pardoned with forfeiture of his Titles and part of his estates, their father was Sir Thomas Parr.

Rev Henry’s youngest brother Robert Mingay born 1654,who married Martha Pennington March 1680,was a farmer and became a Conservator of the Bedford Level. Information I received when I visited Clare College Cambridge in 1997,confirined what F.H.Mingay had written in his Diary 1897, that he was also apparently a very wealthy man, and owned a great deal of Land around about Ely Cathedral, and St. Mary, also Ely Trinity. To the poor of Arminghall Norfolk, and also to the poor of the Parish of St. Edward in Cambridge, he was a great benefactor. He also left money in aid of building Clare Hall, now Clare College in Cambridge (this I found to be true when I went through the books) he died and was buried in Ely Cathedral, with a lot of the other Mingays.

When Martha died she was buried in Ely Cathedral in 1701. An inscription on a tablet in the Cathedral states that Dame Martha, daughter of Sir Pennington of Suffolk, relict of Robert Mingay Esq. and wife of Sir Roger Jenyns, died 1701, and interred with her first husband. Robert’s father John Mingay born 1614, and his wife Jane, she died 1672 he died 1676. A slab on the floor gives information on them, which I took a photo of.

William Mingay born 1753, the only surviving son of William Mingay born 1706,and his 2nd wife Elizabeth Bugg. He became a French teacher at Hawkshead Grammar School Cumbria, and a Farmer. The farm was at Hassall Cheshire, from the Cheshire County Archives and local studies. After explaining to them what information I had, they sent me a letter saying that the confirmation of what I had told them was true, and they sent me some papers, which were copies of their findings.

There were copies of the letters of administration for William Mingay of Hassall (WS) 1841,and of the tithe mapportionment, for Hassall showing his property. They also checked the burial register for Sandbach St. Mary, and they did find that William T Mingay of Hassall, was buried 6th June 1840 age 87. He was also a Lieutenant in the Westmoreland Militia. Also they said that he married Arabella, daughter of Salath Halton of South Wingfield Manor Derbyshire.

Because by my research I could not get any more information from Norfolk, I decided to go to Hawkshead Cumbria, and see what I could find out about this William Mingay. In August 1994 they showed me round the school, and yes he was a French Teacher there, as information in frames on the walls showed. They told me I might find more about him at the Council Archives in Kendal, and this is the proof they gave me, or part of it.

This was under ’Wordsworth’s Hawkshead’ and starts with; John Wordsworth’s Trustees and Guardians of his children record the payment on the 10th December 1785, of 5-4s-0d, to Mr. Mingay for teaching, Richard, William, and John to dance; and in 1789, Robinson Wordsworth borrowed 10s-4d, from Ann Tyson to pay Mr. Mingay. The dancing master who also taught fencing and some French, he is best remembered for the Military Academy in connection with Hawkshead School, which he opened on 12th January 1789.

The full extent and nature of William Thomas Mingay’s activities can best be learnt from a series of advertisements that appeared from 1781 onwards, in the Cumberland Pacquet. On the 24th July of that year, it was reported that; Mr. Mingay’s Ball at Cockermouth on Friday last, exceeded any thing of the kind ever seen before there in point of dress and elegance, and the performances of his pupils were highly applauded by a very polite and numerous company.

Under Dancing, Mr. Mingay begs leave to acquaint the Parents of young Gentlemen, at Hawkshead School, that he proposes attending there on the 11th of August to teach Dancing and the French Language, Mr. Mingay takes this Opportunity of returning thanks to those and Gentlemen who have already honoured him with their Commands and hopes by exerting his utmost abilities to merit a continuance of their favours.

By the time that the Wordsworth boys were having dancing (and probably French) lessons in 1785 Mr. Mingay had obviously been for at least two years established as an Itinerant teacher of those subjects in Hawkshead. Clearly he had much to draw him to Hawkshead, because his wife was from that district. At the same time he had connections with a School in Carlisle. Under a later announcement. "Mr. Mingay begs leave to acquaint the Ladies and Gentlemen, who have already favoured him with their Commands that he is now in London, under the most eminent Masters, for the purpose of acquiring the newest tast es and making every improvement suitable to his determination of omitting nothing in his power." It has not been noticed that he was also responsible for Wordsworth earliest knowledge of French.

Mr. Mingays Military Academy did not attract many pupils, and lasted only a short time. In a circular announcing its closure he gave as the reason his decision to join the Army himself. He did so, and is said to have become a bandmaster, and to have been killed by a stray or misdirected shot when his band was playing the Regiment on to the field of Battle. Leastways that is what Mrs. Mingay was told.

I am quoting from a note, that was made in 1887,by the Rev John Allen, then the Vicar of Hawkshead. A note almost certainly based on Information supplied to him by Thomas Bowman of Roger Ground, only son of the Rev. Thomas Bowean. Mrs. Mingay is the Elizabeth Mingay of Barkhouse Bank, in the neighbouring Parish of Colton, who was buried at Hawkshead on 23rd January 1825, aged 71. And Mr. Mingays only known son William, who was at Hawks-head School with Braithwaite Hodgson, and who died as a young man, is undoubtedly the William Adolphus Mingay, of Walkerground Surgeon, who died there on 2nd March 1807, aged 22 and was buried in Hawkshead Church-yard on the 5th March.

The mystery that I have tried to solve is; was William Thomas Mingay killed before his wife Elizabeth died in 1825. There was no will left by him. I have a copy of the Inventory of all the goods, chattels, and credits of William T Mingay of Hassall. His wife at the time signed the papers as Arabella Halton, and their son signed as William George Mingay, who was born 1807, and died at Atherstone 1872. He married 1st Ann daughter of John Salliard of Nantwich, she died in 1853. He married 2nd Lydia Parr of Dewsbury Yorkshire, she died 1887 age 54. Remember Henry 8th married Catherine Parr his last wife who I found at my local Library, was his fourth Cousin. Perhaps there is some one that can unravel this mystery

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